Official buzz-band and one of the most pleasant surprises for me personally was the band Bernard. With cinematic grace and epic musical soundscapes they captivated their audience in the packed-out tent, shining like a light amidst thousands of bumper-car-core shows, the three-piece ambient-rock band Bernard blew me away. I instantly stole to the back waiting to meet up with one of the members for an interview. As soon as the main questions were done I turned off my recorder and spent another half hour just talking about our views on religion and the church, one of my most memorable conversations at Cornerstone 2006, here’s what I got for you guys:

First, a word from an audience member.

Joel IVM: All right, you’re a random guy; tell us what you thought of that show?

Guy: The Bernard show rocked! I especially liked how the movie playing matched a lot of the stuff, one of the songs I was watching, fireworks would go off when [they]‘d hit a major beat. I just loved it…reminded me a lot of Coldplay and stuff like that, which I love. I love all the slower stuff, piano and everything. It sounded awesome.

Joel IVM: Awesome, what’s your name, where you from!?

Guy: (what I make out as) Vincent Charis, from Jacksonville, Illinois.

Joel IVM: Sweet man, Thanks!

[…]

Joel IVM: All right, tell me who you are and what you play.

Ryan/Bernard: My name’s Ryan and I play the bass, and I do all the visual art.

Joel IVM: Give me the history of the band, how did you guys first form?

Ryan/Bernard: Well Jonathan and Jared, that’s the drummer and the singer, used to be in a band called ‘Okay’. We played a show together, because I actually used to be in a rap group called ‘A2R in the Image’.

Joel IVM: That’s awesome!

Ryan/Bernard: Yeah, so we played a show together, didn’t really know each other but we kinda mutually… well they thought what we were doing was funny, which it was and I thought what they were doing was pretty artistic, which it was. That was about it, we saw each other in passing and a couple weeks later Jonathan and I actually met and he had moved to St. Augustine, didn’t really know anybody, so we started hanging out. Then we talked about maybe doing music together sometime. Their band eventually dissolved, Jonathan had several songs already written, and he called me and asked “Would you like to come join this band?” So, we started practicing in February of 2004 and we had maybe five hours of practice before we played our first show. This was kind of a showcase with Cool Hand Luke which is half of the reason we started playing and we’ve been doing it for two and a half years now. We started as a four piece, grew to a five piece, went down to four, and now we’re a three piece.

Joel IVM: When you were a five piece, were you working with some unique instruments as well?

Ryan/Bernard: No, actually we had three guitar players, it was essentially the same thing just more layering. We brought this extra guy in just to play guitar but we decided we didn’t really need it. When we went down to a three piece that’s when we actually found ourselves becoming the most professional.

Joel IVM: Whose idea was it to use the visual image part and was that a part of the band before, you said they were quite artistic, were they using something like that before?

Ryan/Bernard: They hadn’t really done too much of that really, that was something that we collectively decided upon right when we started the band really, we were like this is what we really wanted to do. We want to incorporate as many senses as possible into the show to make it more of an experience because if you can tap into all five senses in some way at a show then people are going to remember it more. It becomes more of an experience, like taking you out of the time and place you’re in and putting you somewhere else into a new environment. That’s basically where we were going with the visuals.

Joel IVM: You said you were the guy in charge of all that?

Ryan/Bernard: I do the art itself, the t-shirts, the CDs… Jonathan our singer puts together the videos.

Joel IVM: So is he a bit of a film nut?

Ryan/Bernard: No, he just picked it up; he has a natural talent for technical things. When we started working it, our songs were a lot longer and not quite as technical so a lot of it was more streaming ideas and streaming video. Then we started to chop it up, saying ‘Why don’t we go ahead and try to visually represent what’s going on audibly?’ So basically, I think, in the last two and a half years he’s learned to get a better grasp on it. Now it’s very easy for him to go into it and put things together.

Joel IVM: One of the video’s mentioned, with the fireworks, that was all perfectly timed, do you guys do anything special to keep yourselves on time with the video?

Ryan/Bernard: Yeah we have a laptop playing and Jared and Jonathan both have inner ear, so they hear a click. It’s almost like making a play list in Itunes, but that also has visuals, running that out to the projector. So we just hit play, essentially, and then you start hearing the click, the video will go while we play overtop of it.

Joel IVM: Who does the song writing mostly, is it collaborative?

Ryan/Bernard: There’s a little bit of both, Jared lives up in Jacksonville and Jonathan and I live about 20 minutes apart. So oftentimes Jonathan will write the skeleton of a song and email it to both of us and we will listen to it over and over again and kinda dissect it, add our own parts, just tell him what needs to be worked on. Then when we are able to come together we just build upon that, see what we need to do. We might take it out a show and play it, see if it works, bring it back, to the lab, so to speak. Other songs have been written completely by just sitting down and playing, somebody will have a riff and we’ll just build on top of it until we grasp that part that we really want to use and then orchestrate around that.

Joel IVM: How does it flow then from the writing form to the visual, do you write and you’re already making those visuals in your mind?

Ryan/Bernard: Sometimes we do. Sometimes we’ll have a certain part of a song, and we’ll say, ‘this part of the song is very soft, is very graceful’. So we try and come up with visual concepts that repeat that soft in the visual, or the hard and heavy, things that have a lot of power. We have, you know, that classic footage of the nuclear warheads going off in the deserts, blowing away all the houses, very powerful images that represent that more aggressive hard hitting part that we have at our shows. Then we have the very pretty orchestral part that we have some with actual orchestras playing. With this band we try to take into account every single thing that goes on and we want it all to sync up and make sense. It’s not that we are trying to convey something in the visuals, so much as leaving it up to people’s interpretations but we do want that aspect of aesthetic control.

Joel IVM: Have you ever had some video footage that you wrote music to?

Ryan/Bernard: No… Not really. We’ve actually been approached by a couple of people to do little soundtracks which we’re considering doing at some point perhaps, but usually the music is first and foremost. We try to perfect the song before we start adding to that and making it an experience.

Joel IVM: So we’re at a Christian music festival, so I’m assuming you guys are Christians.

Ryan/Bernard: Yes.

Joel IVM: So if we could just talk about your faith and how you integrate that into your music as it is more of an ambient instrumental thing.

Ryan/Bernard: It’s interesting because we aren’t outspoken at all onstage, regardless of if we’re speaking about anything really. We like to keep it that way. Basically we write about what’s important to us anything that’s important to us, it doesn’t matter what it is. We don’t differentiate between things that are religious, quote-on-quote, and not religious. So we write about what we feel is important. So a lot of our songs deal with issues that we feel, especially in this day-and-age, we’re all going through, being lost and wandering through, not really knowing what’s going on. The three of us have decided that, as Christians, we think that we might have an answer, we have something that keeps us going, something that keeps us hopeful and we just want to share that in our music, that you aren’t alone. I think that you can even pick that up in instrumental music. There are instrumental bands that I know for a fact aren’t ‘Christian’, that I listen to and I still get a religious experience from it because it’s just what it interprets to me. I feel the power of God through everything. Gosh, we were out in Chicago on Monday, watching the fireworks. There was the city line behind us and the water in front of us and all these explosions going off. The explosions, the sound that they made, echoing through the cityscape itself, just this low rumble that went on forever, and that is not a religious experience but for me it was just so powerful, I know that I could feel the power of God. If you’re in tune with it you can see the power of God anywhere, you just have to be in tune to it because it’s so subtle that if you’re not paying attention you’re going to miss.

Joel IVM: It’s the whole, ‘the world displays the Glory of God’.

Ryan/Bernard: Exactly. I think that God speaks to us through a whisper right now. We no longer have these big miracles; we don’t have one on one interactions with Jesus as a person. God is speaking to us quietly because he doesn’t want to get in a shouting match with the world. I think if you can get in tune with our music, we’ve had people that have come up and said they felt a religious experience from watching us and we have people that don’t, and that’s fine. We are just providing the vehicle for people that can possibly accept that and find that in our music and that’s okay. We’re not trying to do that necessarily, but I know for us up there, playing, I think we’re starting to learn how just the act of playing music can be a form of worship. So, for us it’s a religious experience for some people in the audience can tune that, some people don’t and that’s fine.

Joel IVM: What do you think of Cornerstone Music Festival? Is this your first time playing here?

Ryan/Bernard: Yeah, this is our first time playing here…

Joel IVM: Are you guys camping on the grounds?

Ryan/Bernard: Yeah we have an RV, I think we had the option of a hotel but it’s nice having an RV, it really has turned into a home for us. I think Jared’s room is now full of dead animals, his dad’s a hunter, and I moved in with a couple from my church, so I have a one-bedroom place that I hardly spend time at. So, this is home. This is our family.

Joel IVM: So this is just like another stop on the road, as far as the camping?

Ryan/Bernard: Yeah… it’s more then that, it’s great. It’s so funny, this is only our third festival and we’re already making friends with people like, I saw the tour manager for Showdown, Riley, big guy from Tennessee, and he remembered me, and we were just bro’n it down for a while. Little things like that. I really like the sense of community and brotherhood that there is here. Seeing our friends getting to see our friends play and getting to hang out. We get to meet new people and make new friends. I’ve seen people here that have been to shows of ours all over the east coast and that’s amazing. It’s really fun.

Joel IVM: I don’t know, it’s my first time at Cornerstone, but a couple of people have said that it can be a little too happy-go-lucky, that everyone’s feeling good and feeling happy.

Ryan/Bernard: I think that Cornerstone’s missions, it seems, is just to provide good Christian music and to let people know that there is music with integrity out there that you don’t have to be stuck listening to secular music that you feel uncomfortable with. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s an individual person’s choice whether they can handle listening to it or not, but they also don’t have to choose the alternative of listening to horrible, horrible Christian music, which there’s a lot of out there and most importantly Christian music that isn’t genuine. I think we’re finally getting to a point with music in the Christian market where it’s almost as if we’re not giving people enough credit. I think people can see genuine music when they see it and they can feel the emotion and the honesty and they can see right through anybody who’s doing it as a scam. The truth is you can make a lot of money in the Christian music scene. I think a lot of people go into that who aren’t even Christians, but I see bands like mewithoutYou or Cool Hand Luke and you just know that they’re doing this because there is nothing else in the world that they want to do. I think a lot of the people that come to these things can pick up on that. It’s more about building seeds. I think that the one stop conversion thing is a rare occasion.

Joel IVM: It’s a process.

Ryan/Bernard: It’s totally a process. You might grow up, you might not. You just pick up little bits as you go along though life and it just starts to build up your faith. I think that this is another one of those spots for people and it’s great if they can pick up on that. It’s good that it’s a positive atmosphere; it’s good that some people are getting challenged by what they hear. There are some great speakers here. There are some amazing things going on. There are people who have devoted their lives to just confessing their beliefs and they’re here, they have to be sought out but it’s nice that they’re providing that for people. More people can come and just have a good time.

Joel IVM: Sweet. Any closing remarks, anything you want to shout-out, prayer requests, anything like that?

Ryan/Bernard: Just pray for this band. Pray that we just have the energy and that we keep up the passion. For everybody in the music scene that we continue to keep our passion and our integrity to do what we love, and that we just learn to worship God through what we do, everything that we do both musically and non-musical, that we continue to seek and seek out that walk of life.

AaronF: You guys have been playing for how long?

Jeff: A little over 10 years.

AaronF: How do you do it?

Ty: (Laughing) We don’t know.

Jeff: It got to the point where, instead of really focusing on where we were gonna go, to wherever God takes us is where we’ll be. We have always had fun with it. We always said ‘When it begins to not be fun anymore, that means its time to stop,’ but it’s still fun.

Aaron: So many bands these days get together put out an e.p. or maybe a full length and then they break up in couple of years. You guys have managed to play for over 10 years. When you first began playing was there a goal? Was there a particular message that you wanted to give out?

Ty: Recently we started out just to have fun.

Eric: Originally, I think we started out playing our favorite punk songs, covers, and then trying to write our own originals.

Aaron: Who are/were the bands that of influence?

Eric: Guttermouth, Minor Threat, Swindle and Lagwagon and then it moved into new school like Blink and MXPX

Ty: Yeah

AaronF: So you guys are currently signed with New School Records. How is that working out? Why did you sign with New School with all the other labels out there?

Eric: We found about New School through Off the Record (Also on New School Records) through knowing them and playing shows with them. They highly recommended New School. They gave us a really good deal. They have good distribution. They gave us a lot of opportunities.

AaronF: Awesome. The name of your latest release, Florescent Black, totally rad. How did you guys come up with the title?

Ty: (Laughing). We are the most random people ever. You get three guys who pretty much have done this forever. That’s pretty much it.

Jeff: Actually it was a random phrase that we just threw out there, we decided we liked it. But it does represent our music. We are at the exact point where pop and metal meet, and black is like so dark and florescent is so bright and poppy!

AaronF: (In between laughing) Yeah, man your music has a really distinct sound, especially Florescent Black kind of punk, hardcore and metal. What genre do you guys consider yourself now?

Ty: I don’t even know.

Jeff: We just let people label us.

Eric: Pop-punk metal.

Jeff: When we recorded this album, I think that was the first time we just said, ‘Let’s just write music that we like and we’ll make it work.’ We laughed a lot of times because of songs that sounded really popular, like Blink, and then at the same time they have Pantera riffs in them, but we were like, ‘This is the stuff we enjoy, so we’re gonna make it work.’

AaronF: So basically, throughout the 10 years, your music has sounded totally different. From Fuel for Life, Game Day to Florescent Black. Has God been leading you towards any music direction?

Eric: I think that it goes with the bands that we like in current time, with the old school punk in the late 80s early 90s to the mid 90s Blink, pop-punk, then kind of going backwards then going to old metal roots,

Jeff: But, I think that that all of us collectively have really different music preference and influences. I mean I like everything from Pantera to Enya.

Eric: Barney,

Jeff: Barney

Everyone (laughing)

AaronF: Man you guys are hilarious.

AaronF: So, Irish Sky, first time I heard it was live in Riverside at Harvest Christian Fellowship Church. I was blown away by the lyrics. What is the meaning of the song?

Ty: Yeah, I think that (Harvest) was the first time we ever played Irish Sky. Well, it was about the loss of a good friend that was so tragic and it happened so suddenly and unexpectingly, kind of how we take life for granted. We have to live each day like it’s your last. So much to live for and you overlook the little things. Like today, I drove over the bridge where he passed and it hits me every time. It’s one of those things that was a reality check for all of us.

Jeff: Ty was the one that called and told me, his name was Ryan. When he died I remember what you said (Ty) in the conversation ‘A 100% of people take life for granted a 100% of the time.’ I think that is so true, it takes something like to be a wake up call. And you realize how much you have, and then when it is gone, that it is the only time that you realize that you had it.

AaronF: Yeah, life goes by, man those lyrics totally blew my away. That is some pretty deep stuff.

AaronF: What is the Christian punk scene nowadays?

Ty: You know it’s so hard to say, you don’t know anymore. It’s like you read a magazine, hear a band, it’s like a bandwagon people jump on. You just don’t know.

Jeff: We don’t know what it is. I honestly feel disconnected. I look in HM magazine and I don’t know any of the bands. I haven’t heard of them and I don’t know any of their stuff. They are all really good bands but it’s a lot of names I never have heard of.

AaronF: Yeah, for real. I noticed a lot of Christian bands these days put out their first album with Christian lyrics, and maybe the in next album they drop all the Christian lyrics and the spirituality. How did you guys survive the past 10 years? Your still putting out Christian lyrics and people are coming to the shows and people are digging the albums.

Jeff: Part of it is that we’ve always been with labels that are Christian based, or they are fine with whatever we do. I found that you may get some people that are turned off to that. I think a lot of people respect it, Christian or not that is what they are about. I mean you can sing songs about girls all the time like everybody else. Everyone’s got their niche; this is what we feel passionate about so that’s what we sing about. I think that is the only way you keep on writing about the same stuff over and over, cus it’s about God, and because there is so much to say.

Ty: I just don’t think that we get offended by what other people say. Either as far as the reviews and people are like, ‘This band sounds really good, but they’re horrible because they are Christians.’ That actually sometimes makes us laugh, we like hearing that stuff, it makes things fun, we don’t take things personally. God’s given us a gift, great friendships and stuff and its lasted 10 years.

AaronF: Yeah it’s true, I really believe that there is something here, you know spiritually.

Jeff: Yeah, along the same lines, the song Vilification in Outline on the new album is kind of about reviews that we’ve gotten from secular magazines or websites or whatever, it’s insulting in a lot of ways and it does sort of hurt when you read a review saying, ‘All these guys are Christians.’ You know, ‘You can’t take them seriously, go play your God music somewhere else.’ The message is one thing, but if you do a review of the album, you know. They won’t say anything about drums, guitar, bass, vocals, it will just be ‘These guys are Christian, they’re no good’ and it’s kind of interesting how it happens. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I am fine with secular magazines reviewing our stuff, but I think that they should give us a fair shake. And if they don’t like the music then, hey that’s fine, but don’t cut us short of the message.

AaronF: Yeah, wow totally. Okay, few more questions. You guys all have full-time jobs what do you do.

Everyone laughs.

Ty: Serious? I manage a skate shop, Active Ride Shop.

AaronF: That is one of the band’s sponsors right.

Ty: Yeah

Eric: I am a fireman for LA City.

AaronF: And you were working in South LA right?

Eric: Yeah

Jeff: High school and junior college football scout. I scout football players for Division I colleges.

AaronF: What is your advice for bands that are trying to make it now? Just beginning, trying to get recognized, promoted?

Jeff: You gotta learn how to walk before you can run and take things as they come. I think that it is always a good idea to get a demo out something to have at shows, but make sure you are ready to put something out like that. Go in and record a few times, get used to the process, cause we put out so many songs on albums that we look back and say ‘If we only took more time on that’ being too inexperienced. It’s always good to have something for people to walk away with from a show, but make sure what you’re cutting the tape is something that you are going to enjoy.

Eric: Along those line at a minimum, it has to be comparable to what is already out there. If it is anything below it is not going to cut it.

AaronF: What about Myspace.com. How do you think that’s changing music distribution and exposure now?

Jeff: It levels the playing field for a lot of bands because it’s exposure for as much as they want to promote themselves. We had mp3.com back in the day and that helped us a lot. I am sure that Myspace is doing the same thing for a lot of bands.

Eric: Myspace is a whole turn up thing, which makes the whole band volume really saturated, so it makes it that much more competitive but it also brings out a lot of good quality stuff.

AaronF: Where is a good place to eat around here after the show? (At this exact moment a train, about 50 feet from us fly’s by, sounding its horn really, really, really loud.) Oh, man should I hop on that?

Some one in the band yells “Oh my gosh!” Everyone laughing

Ty: Well take that North. And that’s where you go.

AaronF

I first met Stephen back in 2001 when his old band played a Church I was
going to at the time. We hit it off and I was impressed with his humble
demeanor. He is a passionate guy with a lot to say. It’s that same passion
that leads him to front one of the most amazing rock bands of today,
Anberlin. With that said, I’ll be conducting a little interview here with
the man behind the mic.

Brandon/IVM: So first off, tell me a little bit about yourself. Where you
grew up what your hometown is like. Just the simple essentials.

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I consider my hometown st joeseph, michigan. even though i have spent the majority of my years in winter haven, florida my heart is elsewhere. st joe has such an innocence about it. childhood memories attached. the pier, the beach, the sand dunes, peerless canvas, my grandparents, etc. the fall, leaves burning, a slight chill in the air, that is where the heart is.

Brandon/IVM: You’re going to hate me for asking these questions but I’m
going to do it anyway. What recollections do you have of your time with
you old band. Any good or bad things to spill? What have you learned since those
days?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I loved those days. Naive, hopeful, everything was exhilarating. the
music was a cross between hot water music and stevie vai. it was
God-awful music. rather embarrassing if you ask me, but we all have to
come from somewhere. Those were crimeless moments. It taught me about finding a firm
foundation and humility… though that was easy when your as horrid as
we were.

Brandon/IVM: Anberlin signed to T&N in 2002 and you released one of the most
incredible debut records I’d heard in a long time. What was that debut like
for you to accomplish? Any comments?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Truly an accomplishment. We had no idea what we were getting into. We had walked into the studio with only 10 songs. We had no more no less.
and even one of those was not ours. Aaron taught us a lot (the
producer) about the industry ins and outs. which ended up to be more of an impact than his production.

Brandon/IVM: How has your relationship with T&N been? Have they treated you
well? Are you pleased with your current position?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I am sure that there are good and bad things about every record
label. Working with Tooth and Nail has been brilliant. I have made
some invaluable friendships* that will far outlast this band.
The disadvantage of any indie is that they do not have the money to
throw at clear channel or mtv to make the band happen (whether the
band has talent or not.) the positive to indie labels is that they
have the heart and soul. If you eat, they eat. they are along side you
through the good or bad. Major labels have the money, but if your not putting up the numbers they want they have no passion or vision for your band. So which is more important… money or passion; and that’s how we made our decision. There is a light that never goes out.
*one side note: another negative attribute to an indie label is that
there is a lot of idle chatter, rumors, and talking behind peoples
back that happens @ smaller labels. ours is no exception. sometimes it
feels more like a high school than a label.

Brandon/IVM: Never Take Friendship Personal was a natural progression from Blueprints for the Blackmarket, what is your take on the subtle differences between records? How have you guys improved?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I think when you tour 10.5 months a year it is inevitable that you
are going to put on a better and better show. With that much touring
you also learn your instrument exceedingly so. I think walking into
the studio the second time we had obtained one major thing that is
clearly lacking on our first record: confidence.
We knew who we were and what we were setting out to achieve. Aaron
manipulated our sound on the first record and on the second record he
was much more hands off. We grew as people, had seen more places, experienced more failures and more success’s. Life had been good to us, i had a lot to draw
from. i think this third album may be our pinnacle record,. it’s who we
always knew we had inside us, it just took us 2 records of
experimentation to finally get it down on paper and eventually record.

Brandon/IVM: What was the recording process like the second time around?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: For drums nate was comfortable. He had turned from a prodigy to a
professional in the matter of one album. Deon experimented more with
playing on his own then following the lowest note of the guitar. Joey and I pretty much did our own production. Aaron was absent for a
good majority of my vocals, but it turned out great. It pushed me to
do it on my own, get better at my weakness’s instead of relying on
Aaron to come up with something. I want to continue that on this next
record and do the vocal production completely by myself… since
‘friendship’ was pretty much just that.

Brandon/IVM: You’ve dropped small hints of a future writing session for the
new record. When shall we expect to see Anberlin in the studio again? Will
an album drop this year?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: We are going to end our Canadian run in Seattle @ the end of July and
that is where we will begin this next project. We will be in the
studio for about 6 weeks which will take us well into august.
we are not sure when the album will drop but it will probably fall
somewhere between dec.-feb.

Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about a major label? Do you seen Anberlin
moving in that direction any time soon? Any comments on the matter?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I want to go where my heart leads. Tooth and Nail is bending backwards for us right now. if this continues and they and us feel that working
together would be in both our best interest, then we would love to
stick around. Underoath just resigned to Tooth. It was incredibly
smart. They knew that Tooth could push them to the level exactly where
they needed to be. if we feel the same, we will stay as well.
Honestly as of late i have been reclusing from the idea of
business and fame so i let our management handle all that stuff. I just
want to write music.

Brandon/IVM: Switching gears here for a second….

You’re a Christian playing in a rock band. How do you feel your role (and
purpose) as a Christian is affected by rock n’ roll. What place does
Christianity play in the making of music?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: My purpose as a human is to love the Lord my God with all my heart,
soul, and mind. my purpose as a musician it is to make the best
possible music and entertainment for the listener. The amalgamation of
the two is the controversy. We seem to be too Christian for the
general market and not Christian enough for the Christians. Conundrum.
The other day a youth pastor wrote me how he felt we “wasted an
opportunity to preach @ our sold out house of blues show, though (he)
can see Christ in our actions, lyrics, and lifestyle.” I asked him “if you saw Christ in our actions, lyrics, and lifestyle ,did we not preach?” The thing is people bring into the music an expectation, if we do not fill that than we are not following Christ as they see fit.

The summation of my argument is thus…I have an audience of One.
one day i will have to stand in front of that audience of One and
keep an account of every action, word, (or lack of actions or words)
when i die.

I am not called to be an evangelist, pastor, or teacher @ this stage
in my life. Right now i am called to a band called Anberlin. If God
does call me to that in the future i am sure he will let me know
through other ways than a youth pastor writing me on Myspace.

I hope this does not come off as bitter, I am not bitter at all, just
stating an ongoing explanation of particular actions.

I write my songs based on personal experience, the overflow of the
heart so the mouth speaks. God is intertwined with my life in every
facet, and those facets of my life he is not intertwined with, I wish he
would rid me of. So it is natural for God to appear in so many of my
songs, whether ambiguous, in spirit, or by name.

I have NEVER sat down and said,”how can i make my religion a part of
this song… how can i market my faith so i can break in the christian
charts. ”

For those who market Christ as a product, there is a special place in
hell for them. Christ can not be bought and sold. People taint
something so sacred and beautiful and holy with a price tag.
i am sure that there are a lot of good souls (as starsailor would
say) in the Christian music business (jeremy camp being one) but as a
whole, my God in heaven, i believe that if Christ were to walk through
their temple (GMA) that there would be whips and tables flying in
every direction.

Conundrum. me. the first part of this question i was asking people
not to judge my actions, and here i am judging others. oh well.
there is my humanity coming out.

Brandon/IVM: Your band is openly embraced by Christians worldwide. How do you feel about this acceptance and what would you say to your Christian
fans?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I do not distinguish between listeners really. i would hope that the entire world, no matter what race, creed, religion, or sexual orientation,
could listen and appreciate anberlin.
but i do understand that many of you reading this are Christians so
let me direct my attention briefly on those with similar faith. do not forget that you are a wretch. let me explain. in the hymn, amazing grace, we sing ‘amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.’ what (christians) forget is that
we are still the wretch and the only thing that separates us from
others that pass in and out of our lives each day is grace.
somewhere along the line we thought this priceless grace was owed to
us. we feel in some way that this grace puts us above others. we are
better than the homosexual or the prostitute. you are not. our
righteousness is as filthy rags. our good deeds or paying tithe don’t
mean poop. as soon as you believe that you some how have earned this,
or worked hard enough for this grace, you have lost the point
entirely. it is not by works that you are saved…lest any man should boast.
realize that we are still that wretch, and you should treat those
around you as above you.the more i sin, the more i fail, the deeper within my selfish nature i give into, the more i empathize with the prostitute who washed Christ’s feet with the expensive perfume. i have that whore. i am that homosexual. i am that beggar. i am the widow and orphan.
you are that whore. homosexual. begger. widow and orphan.
when you forget that, you are no better than the Pharisees and
saducees that Christ himself rebuked repeatedly.
grace. it is for everyone. act like it.

Brandon/IVM: What purpose do you feel we as Christians should fill for those of us working in the music market?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I believe that a great example of this is my dear friend Chad Johnson
that works with tooth and nail records. he has one hand in the
workplace and one hand working for furtherance of his faith. yet his
hands are connected onto the same body, and that’s how we should be. Just because we are followers of The Way does not mean that we can not be connected to the world and its happenings. We can not be naive to what is happening around us. (james
1:27 says ‘unspotted’ but there is a difference between connected and
unspotted)to a jew we become a jew, to the greek a greek, i become all things
to all people that i may help others find what i have found
(paraphrase to keep the christian -ese to a minimal).
we need to set the example and the bar. we need to be the hardest
working and complain the least. we need to bring hope in a very dark
industry. we need to show the love and grace that was extended to us
to those who view ’sex, drugs, and rock and roll’ as a requirement on
the job application. we need to set our self’s apart and not above. im
going to write that again. we need to set our self’s apart and not
above.*thanks chad for being a wonderful example

Brandon/IVM: How has your faith affected your presence on tour and on stage as a performer. What is like going out on tour with big time rock bands and still holding on to your faith, sharing with others around you?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: This a tricky question because i am not here to pat myself on the back by running down the list of who’s, and where’s, and how’s . so i will say this; i try my best to preach the gospel at all times and when necessary using words. as far as those of you who are pursuing music as a career and will one day go out with general market bands: know what you believe, know why you believe. concentrate on a strong foundation between you and God. that is what is going to keep the momentum of faith pushing you through the hardest and most temptation filled moments of this
business.

Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about Christian individuals who choose to share their Faith through the music they compose. If we are to encourage freedom of expression and thought, should Christian artistry be accepted? Do you feel there is a certain level of intolerance in the music scene at large for Christian Artists?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Honestly christian music as a whole isn’t that good. its not that the
‘outside’ world is intolerant its that christian music is not talented
in the least. we follow whatever the rest of the world is doing, but
about five years to late. if they have a boy band… we will start a
boy band a couple years later. ‘they’ have a creed band, well we will
start one. for God being the creative force perpetuating this universe
we sure are unoriginal!

Christians who do come up with something new and are TALENTED still
shine in the general market regardless of belief system. look at
underoath, zao, mae, further seems forever, juliana theory, etc.

i think the christian church stifles creativity. we have labeled art
and the arts and psuedo-homosexual so pastors/priests shy away. which
is ridiculous. david danced naked before the alter, but if someone
wanted to simply show God how in love with him they were by dancing
(fully clothed) they would be excommunicated. paul shaved his head as
a vow to God, but if we have a tattoo with the same meaning we are
ostracized. in other words there needs to be a revolution of creativity in the church and maybe in a couple of generations we wont be copies* of
everything we see in the music industry, but leaders paving the way in
experimentation. *side note. this is complete proof of our ‘copy’ mentality. if you go to a “christian bookstore” they have lists of which christian bands sound like what “secular” bands. sad. but true.

Brandon/IVM: What are your thoughts on young bands of Christians wanting to
play both markets just out of their love for their Faith? I know we can get
a bit jaded with age but some of the young at heart are really passionate
about their newfound faith. What is your opinion on the matter?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Purity of heart. if you really want to play both markets for love of
their faith than pursue it. but maintain the purity of heart not just
today, but in five years from now. there is a lot of money in the
Christian music business right now (it is the fastest growing segment
of the music industry currently) but don’t sell out.
but here is my enigma… if you are sold out to your faith why are
you playing the Christian market at all? does that make you a better
Christian by playing Jam for the Lamb fest ‘07?
actually i think if you want to be truly sold out for Christ than be
the doctor to those who are not well. did not Christ say “go into all
the world and preach the gospel”? then why are you playing first
assembly of Christ in God’s youth group? you should be playing the bar
down the street. sure i there is need of edification of the Church,
but edify it then get out! for some reason we feel if one is sold out to Christ then they are a christian band and travel with only other christian bands and sign on
to victory in Jesus record label. how horribly warped.
but this is what it breaks down to… go where the peace is. trust in
the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding.
in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.

Brandon/IVM: I’m not big on the Nashville Christian Music meat Market but how do you feel about the independent Christian scene or artists who are Christians making music directed at the entire world rather than a sub genre culture?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Good for them!

Brandon/IVM: What are your thoughts on social and world issues? Any certainissue that touches your heart and tugs on your soul that you’d like to touch on? What are you most passionate about?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Right now i am really reverting back to james 1:27. pure religion. i
leave in one week to haiti for two weeks where i will help build an
orphanage in a remote part of the country. i want to begin to get out
of this country at least twice a year from here out to help those in
need. but as far as causes i am impassioned about, World Vision is an
amazing organization that anberlin has been working with for some time.
invisible children has really touched me, if i could help them more i
would. mercy ships is phenomenal. but the most moving thing as of late
has been the killing and genocide that is happening right now in
Defar. it hurts. i feel so powerless in the situation. i never wanted
Rwanda (hutu and tutsi) to happen again and it is happening and i
can’t do anything about it. my hopes would be that everyone helps in whatever capacity to makethis world a better place.
“become the change you wish to see in the world”
-ghandi

Brandon/IVM: Okay enough of these questions, on to the fun stuff (and sorry for twisting your mind for a moment

Brandon/IVM: We now know that the great and wonderful Stephen Christian has a side project called the Stephen Christian Side Show Circus. Want to
elaborate (kidding)?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: wow is that the name of it? hahaha great. well there it is ladies and gentlemen.no i am not sure the name of it just yet. but there is one song that aaron marsh (copeland) and myself have worked on up on
stephenchristian.us . *it is not mixed or mastered, but you get the
direction. i am really really excited. it is just another outlet. it
doesn’t have the energy that anberlin has but i believe its more
ardent and apparent.

Brandon/IVM: You’re recording your solo (or have recorded) stuff soon, how has that process evolved? What’s it been like going out on your own?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I love being on my own in the writing process. it has expanded my
horizons and taught me how to be a better song writer, i also play a
lot of piano and guitar on this project, something i have played
around with but not had much chance until now to do.
i have no idea what its going to do, or even where its going to come
out. but i don’t care. its one of those things in life i just wanted
to accomplish. so even if no one else hears it or likes it, i will
have the sense of accomplishment.

Brandon/IVM: About how many songs do you have prepared for the record (Solo record)? Who is recording with you (on instruments)? Will you tour solo?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin:

piano/guitars/vocals- myself
piano/guitars/production- aaron marsh (copeland)
drums-john bucklew (copeland)
bass- louis d. (gasoline heart/the kick)
vocals- ana becker
violins- racheal p.
etc.

We have about 4 songs done. 3 unfinished and 4 that still need to be recorded.
i would love to tour on it but right now anberlin is on tour about ten
months a year. which leaves little time to expand my side project.

Brandon/IVM: Please don’t tell me that Anberlin will break up anytime soon?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: No way. that won’t happen. anberlin is my priority.

Brandon/IVM: What label is planning on releasing your solo record and when
can we expect it to street?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I have no idea. i would love something like burnt toast or secretly
canadian, because i want this record to be more like art than a
capitalistic venture.

Brandon/IVM: What is rockin’ your stereo lately? Any new bands that you’re
into?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Wow. this could be a long one.
just went to an OURS show last night. it was a spiritual experience. i
felt closer to God than any church service i had been to in some time.
im really in to blues lately. buddy guy, muddy waters, johnson, etc.
im in a state of musical reclusion. we are about to record so i try to
steer away from anything that might influence a melody/vocal/lyric
line. so jazz/classical/ or blues are apart of the purification process.

Brandon/IVM: What bands have been most enjoyable to tour with?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: All.
I cant think of one tour i regret. well one. but still.
everything is a learning process. we are about to go out with
jonzetta again. they are a new band on tooth and nail and are a lot of
fun to hang out with.after that we are out with the most relaxed guys in the business,hawthorne heights. then out in canada with the most adhd people in the business, story of the year. so its going to be an interesting couple
of months.

Brandon/IVM: Have you ever considered guest spotting on one of your favorite band’s records? Has anyone asked you to lend your vocals to a track or two?

Brandon/IVM: Who do you think will produce the next Anberlin record? Any dream production jobs you’d most desire?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Aaron sprinkle will be recording the next record.
i am not big into producers, so as long as it sounds good i don’t
care. the rest of the guys are all into that stuff. they have the
stronger opinions when it comes to recording.

Brandon/IVM: What can we expect out of Anberlin in the next two years? Any big changes? Any chance for a cover article in a major music mag?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin:
Next two years.
haiti in may.
headlining 2 weeks june.
hawthorne 2 weeks june/july
story of the year 2 weeks in july
recording august/sept
japan oct.
and that’s as far as i know.

as far as me personally i would really like to get my solo record out
and my book published.

Brandon/IVM: Congrats on the recent radio play your single has been
garnering. That’s a huge feat in today’s clouded music climate. Is the
single on the rise, are more stations playing it? Any chance for KROQ here
in Los Angeles to play the tune? I haven’t heard it yet but I’ve sure
requested it.

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I am not sure about kroq. they are the top of the top. they can pick
and choose anyone they want. they have been out to a couple shows, but
still no word on them. i hope one day.
Yeah the radio has been quite a success for us. it is cool to see
people in the crowd that look like they should be at a tool or marliyn
manson show singing along.

Brandon/IVM: What has your hometown reception been like to your music? What
is the crowd situation like? Are a lot of people showing up?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: It has been great. this was our first time playing house of blues
orlando (about a week ago) and it was sold out! it was amazing. the
best part of the entire night was just the smile on my families face.
everything else was extra curricular.

Brandon/IVM: Favorite food?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Mexican and Italian

Brandon/IVM: What was the last great film you viewed?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Eternal sunshine for the spotless mind.
i know its older but i just watched it again the other night.

Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about Disneyland in your backyard? Ha.

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Overrated.

Brandon/IVM: Is it true they almost own an entire city in Orlando?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Yep. and then some!

Brandon/IVM: Do you guys have side jobs when you’re not on tour? If so,
where do you work and how is it?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I used to, but we tour way to much for any employer to give us a job.
but the last job i held was substitute teacher for the polk county
school system. my favorite was teaching 4th grade. old enough to spell
their name, young enough where they haven’t hit puberty.

Brandon/IVM: Last great book you read? What are your favorite mags to read?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I read like i am about to go blind.
i am currently reading ‘knowledge of the holy’ by a.w. tozer. it is
mind altering. he is my new blaise pascal.
11 minutes by Paulo Coelho (not for the faint hearted)
freakenomics- a economists perspective on sociology
and tipping point- marketing book
lovely bones* don’t read it. its really boring. drags on forever.
that has all been on this past tour.
but it is either read or play video games. so obviously i am no good at halo.

Brandon/IVM: Do you read Relevant, what do you think of it? I love the mag,

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: They have some great articles and I am a proud subscriber. I think its great. i called them when they came out with their first issue and said “its about time!”

Brandon/IVM: Do you ever read HM?

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: No.

Brandon/IVM: Dude, I am out of questions. Seriously, I have nothing left to say and I’m staring at my ceiling right now drooling for some odd reason.
Uh. Yeah.

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: Good because my fingers are plotting a mutiny that was so many questions. but its you brandon. so i’d do it again.

Brandon/IVM: Any parting words? Any prayer requests for us readers and fans of your band. How can we best support you guys when you’re out there working hard? I’ll be praying for you guys for sure. Anyway, take care and best of luck to your future and all that God has in store for you guys. Peace.

Stephen Christian/Anberlin: I think i have said quite enough. maybe too much.

Prayer requests:
direction. focus. that we may become men of integrity.
safety in our travels.

until we meet again,
stephen christian

Aimee Romero’s been busy the last few years integrating herself into all areas of music, whether it be writing for Zambooie, designing for her clothing line or singing in Marrow. She took some time out her busy schedule to take a few questions about her faith and music.

Joel/IVM: So start by introducing yourself, who are you and what do you do?

Aimee/Marrow: my name is aimee. i do a number of things. could you be more specific?

Joel/IVM: Give me a rundown of the various projects you are currently involved with right now.

Joel/IVM: How did you first get involved in music?

Aimee/Marrow: i used to carry around a red tape recorder when i was two. i sang little songs and would play stuff for my parents. i started playing shows in highschool, mostly covering songs. i didn’t really get into writing until the end of highschool and beginning of college. i just like music so i keep learning how to play t