Comments on: And Then There Were None http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/ Faith and Entertainment with an Independent Perspective Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:48:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Michael Mayer III http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-148711 Michael Mayer III Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:54:59 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-148711 I also wanted to say that though God is a loving God he is also a just God. He is bound to his word and would be a liar if he let just anyone into heaven. He tells us that all of us fall short of the glory of God so there is no one that is 'good enough'. I also wanted to say that though God is a loving God he is also a just God. He is bound to his word and would be a liar if he let just anyone into heaven. He tells us that all of us fall short of the glory of God so there is no one that is ‘good enough’.

]]> By: RJ http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-148700 RJ Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:41:33 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-148700 Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Secondly.... "And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; & then shall the End come." (Matthew 24:14) The problem isn't with people who lead others to the Truth as much as it is with those who would outwardly rebel against it creating excuses and illogical objections and hypotheses to justify their views rather than seek the Truth. God does love all peoples regardless of race, religion or whatever. However He has only made one way into Heaven and has told us to tell others of it. You have been given the free will to choose that Way or to not choose it. Not choosing it is the same as rejecting it and this rejection is the only reason anyone goes to hell. You wouldn't dare attempt to attend a college without first finding out it's requirements and meeting them, you couldn't go and make up your own and expect them to adhere to it. The same goes for the kingdom of God. He has one requirement: Jesus Christ. Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Secondly….

“And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; & then shall the End come.” (Matthew 24:14)

The problem isn’t with people who lead others to the Truth as much as it is with those who would outwardly rebel against it creating excuses and illogical objections and hypotheses to justify their views rather than seek the Truth. God does love all peoples regardless of race, religion or whatever. However He has only made one way into Heaven and has told us to tell others of it. You have been given the free will to choose that Way or to not choose it. Not choosing it is the same as rejecting it and this rejection is the only reason anyone goes to hell. You wouldn’t dare attempt to attend a college without first finding out it’s requirements and meeting them, you couldn’t go and make up your own and expect them to adhere to it. The same goes for the kingdom of God. He has one requirement: Jesus Christ.

]]> By: Brandon http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-148699 Brandon Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:21:18 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-148699 "Religion only leads to war and social separation"? That's a common misconception spread by non-Christians, Athiests, and Agnostics about "Christianity" and holds no validity. We follow a peaceful God who loves and cares for us. It's about a personal relationship in Christ and not "religion". “Religion only leads to war and social separation”?

That’s a common misconception spread by non-Christians, Athiests, and Agnostics about “Christianity” and holds no validity. We follow a peaceful God who loves and cares for us. It’s about a personal relationship in Christ and not “religion”.

]]> By: james http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-148679 james Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:12:47 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-148679 so if people in africa never hear about christ and they are good people with good morals and strong ethics they are going to hell? It doesnt seem like the warm and loving god you make it out to be. Thats the problem with people like you because you are so stubborn and engulfed in your "my belief is right and your's is not" theory. If god were loving then he would accept people for who they are, no matter if their buddhusts, muslim, jewish, or gay. God wants us to be happy not slaves. so if people in africa never hear about christ and they are good people with good morals and strong ethics they are going to hell? It doesnt seem like the warm and loving god you make it out to be. Thats the problem with people like you because you are so stubborn and engulfed in your “my belief is right and your’s is not” theory. If god were loving then he would accept people for who they are, no matter if their buddhusts, muslim, jewish, or gay. God wants us to be happy not slaves.

]]> By: james http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-148677 james Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:05:47 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-148677 religion only leads to war and social seperation religion only leads to war and social seperation

]]> By: Biggy http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-146622 Biggy Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:10:32 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-146622 I think in today's society, it's very difficult to reach people with the Gospel by telling them about it. People today are so turned off by any kind of religious influences. One example I have seen is this. Whenever I travel to work there are a group of men that stand at an intersection holding signs that say "You're going to Hell if you're a sinner" and "God hates Gays". That is most definitely the wrong way to go about doing it. I have always lived by letting my walk do the talking, and when the opportunity presents itself, sharing the Gospel with someone. And about the comment about them leaving the other groups just because they haven't led them to Christ. That's just a little bit on the ignorant side, because then you have to ask yourself the same thing about your job, your friends, your home, and your church. Those are ALL mission fields. We are called to be a peculiar people and as such the thing that should be so peculiar is Christs' love emanating from us, not our fingers pointing out their faults. That's not our job, that's God's job. Hope you all are having a blessed day. And this band still rocks. :D I think in today’s society, it’s very difficult to reach people with the Gospel by telling them about it. People today are so turned off by any kind of religious influences. One example I have seen is this. Whenever I travel to work there are a group of men that stand at an intersection holding signs that say “You’re going to Hell if you’re a sinner” and “God hates Gays”. That is most definitely the wrong way to go about doing it. I have always lived by letting my walk do the talking, and when the opportunity presents itself, sharing the Gospel with someone. And about the comment about them leaving the other groups just because they haven’t led them to Christ. That’s just a little bit on the ignorant side, because then you have to ask yourself the same thing about your job, your friends, your home, and your church. Those are ALL mission fields. We are called to be a peculiar people and as such the thing that should be so peculiar is Christs’ love emanating from us, not our fingers pointing out their faults. That’s not our job, that’s God’s job.

Hope you all are having a blessed day. And this band still rocks. :D

]]> By: Griffin http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-145231 Griffin Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:46:16 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-145231 Tell me what's on your mind. Tell me what’s on your mind.

]]> By: Levi http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-145179 Levi Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:59:19 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-145179 Well said Nolan :) Not so much THH. Well said Nolan :)
Not so much THH.

]]> By: Griffin http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-144065 Griffin Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:52:34 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-144065 This is a good discussion, yeah. (If you guys like cool discussions like this, join the forums! /plug) This is a good discussion, yeah.

(If you guys like cool discussions like this, join the forums! /plug)

]]> By: Brandon http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-144052 Brandon Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:24:34 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-144052 Nolan, you made some great points and I applaud you for your civility. Everyone has stayed pretty polite so far, let's keep it that way. Nolan, you made some great points and I applaud you for your civility. Everyone has stayed pretty polite so far, let’s keep it that way.

]]> By: Nolan G.brecht. http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-144044 Nolan G.brecht. Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:48:33 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-144044 Seconded, THH Seconded, THH

]]> By: The Headless Horseman http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-144027 The Headless Horseman Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:33:51 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-144027 I don't think there's such a thing as "half-Christian, half-not" bands any more than "half-Christian, half-not" hospitals, law firms or football teams. I think the commercial culture of Christianity is somewhat ridiculous, to be honest. I don’t think there’s such a thing as “half-Christian, half-not” bands any more than “half-Christian, half-not” hospitals, law firms or football teams. I think the commercial culture of Christianity is somewhat ridiculous, to be honest.

]]> By: Nolan G.brecht. http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-144021 Nolan G.brecht. Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:49:26 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-144021 As I stated in my previous post, the impressions and message I received were specific to me. On the other hand, it seems that you have a need to use broad, black and white stokes to describe the message people should/do receive. In this discussion, I think we've been pretty convivial and polite, however I need to say that this condemnation of this band really irritates me. You are extrapolating an awful lot based on one simple fact; from one simple fact you seem to be accusing and slandering the faith of some young men with absolutely no correlation to reality and the facts. These guys may be the next Billy Graham and they also may be Sunday morning Christians. The reality is that we - you or me - have no idea of the truth in this matter. Sorry if this comes off as a bit harsh, but in my opinion the only space that Christianity provides for harsh words against the actions of a brother or sister of the faith come in the context of a personal relationship where the first confrontation is in private. As I stated in my previous post, the impressions and message I received were specific to me. On the other hand, it seems that you have a need to use broad, black and white stokes to describe the message people should/do receive.

In this discussion, I think we’ve been pretty convivial and polite, however I need to say that this condemnation of this band really irritates me. You are extrapolating an awful lot based on one simple fact; from one simple fact you seem to be accusing and slandering the faith of some young men with absolutely no correlation to reality and the facts.

These guys may be the next Billy Graham and they also may be Sunday morning Christians. The reality is that we – you or me – have no idea of the truth in this matter.

Sorry if this comes off as a bit harsh, but in my opinion the only space that Christianity provides for harsh words against the actions of a brother or sister of the faith come in the context of a personal relationship where the first confrontation is in private.

]]> By: Levi http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-144009 Levi Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:24:35 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-144009 Actually it sends a were here for what's happening now kind of message And not what's happening in the next life Cause as far as I'm concerned those are lost souls and they will go to hell when they die, Now a lot of people don't want to hear that but that's the truth And I know that I'm coming off as a nut and this isn't how to share the gospel But a lot of Christians seem to forget what Christ did for them And what he could be doing for all of your loved ones Actually it sends a were here for what’s happening now kind of message
And not what’s happening in the next life
Cause as far as I’m concerned those are lost souls
and they will go to hell when they die,
Now a lot of people don’t want to hear that but that’s the truth
And I know that I’m coming off as a nut and this isn’t how to share the gospel
But a lot of Christians seem to forget what Christ did for them
And what he could be doing for all of your loved ones

]]> By: Nolan G.brecht. http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143979 Nolan G.brecht. Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:35:05 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143979 "I’m just saying the Idea of Half christian half not bands send a mixed signal Like a White washed gospel" I guess it depends on how you approach it. The signal I get is that these young men are strong enough in their faith that they can so closely live and interact with others not of the faith. It would also, I presume, send the signal to the mainstream that Christians can step out of their bubble and interact with the world. However, please don't hear me say that there are no pitfalls in this situations; simply that the pitfalls and positives are different than those of being in an all-Christian band. “I’m just saying the Idea of Half christian half not bands send a mixed signal
Like a White washed gospel”

I guess it depends on how you approach it. The signal I get is that these young men are strong enough in their faith that they can so closely live and interact with others not of the faith. It would also, I presume, send the signal to the mainstream that Christians can step out of their bubble and interact with the world.

However, please don’t hear me say that there are no pitfalls in this situations; simply that the pitfalls and positives are different than those of being in an all-Christian band.

]]> By: Levi http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143959 Levi Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:27:28 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143959 Good point Nolan Helping people is the way to go We just had a bible study about exactly What you're talking about I'm just saying the Idea of Half christian half not bands send a mixed signal Like a White washed gospel Good point Nolan
Helping people is the way to go
We just had a bible study about exactly
What you’re talking about
I’m just saying the Idea of Half christian half not bands send a mixed signal
Like a White washed gospel

]]> By: Levi G http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143951 Levi G Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:15:46 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143951 ^Good post. ^Good post.

]]> By: Nolan G.brecht. http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143950 Nolan G.brecht. Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:59:17 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143950 Levi: At what point do you "leave the city" and assume that whomever you're talking to is not going to listen? I've worked at an inner-city drop-in center for many years and there was one guy that was coming to center before I started working there and who came during the five years I worked there. We talked to him about Christ and Christianity consistently. It was after I left when I heard that he became a Christan. It was a "Praise God!" moment for me. However, that moment was over 9 years int he making. These things can happen overnight or they can take a decade. Unless you are intimately involved in the situation, I think caution is in order when assuming judgement. Levi: At what point do you “leave the city” and assume that whomever you’re talking to is not going to listen?

I’ve worked at an inner-city drop-in center for many years and there was one guy that was coming to center before I started working there and who came during the five years I worked there. We talked to him about Christ and Christianity consistently. It was after I left when I heard that he became a Christan. It was a “Praise God!” moment for me. However, that moment was over 9 years int he making.

These things can happen overnight or they can take a decade. Unless you are intimately involved in the situation, I think caution is in order when assuming judgement.

]]> By: Levi G http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143940 Levi G Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:19:11 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143940 "Let us in on a stand-out moment where you just thought, “Thank you, God.” When Obama was elected president." This makes me sad for unborn children. “Let us in on a stand-out moment where you just thought, “Thank you, God.”
When Obama was elected president.”

This makes me sad for unborn children.

]]> By: Griffin http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143932 Griffin Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:45:58 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143932 Holy crap, I love these boys. Multiple Alk3 references? Win. Holy crap, I love these boys. Multiple Alk3 references? Win.

]]> By: Levi http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143919 Levi Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:32:59 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143919 I'm not saying to give up on them, but hanging out with Christians everyday should make you become more likely to want to try this whole christian thing out (depending on whether you're real or not) And I'm not talking about your job I'm talking about Evangelism, because when you claim Christ and you get up on that stage, then that's exactly what you're doing Whether you realize it or not You're helping or hurting someone's walk with Christ (And I'm not yelling, I'm just curious) I’m not saying to give up on them,
but hanging out with Christians everyday
should make you become more likely to
want to try this whole christian thing out
(depending on whether you’re real or not)
And I’m not talking about your job I’m talking about
Evangelism, because when you claim Christ
and you get up on that stage,
then that’s exactly what you’re doing
Whether you realize it or not
You’re helping or hurting someone’s walk with Christ
(And I’m not yelling, I’m just curious)

]]> By: Tyler.H http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143888 Tyler.H Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:11:33 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143888 not everyone i work with is a Christian either. I still like my job. i think what Levi is referring to is the people who are called to be evangelists, specifically Jesus was talking to the apostles. It was a big scale situation, telling them not to waste time on towns that weren't going to listen. It wasn't a call to give up on individuals. not everyone i work with is a Christian either. I still like my job. i think what Levi is referring to is the people who are called to be evangelists, specifically Jesus was talking to the apostles. It was a big scale situation, telling them not to waste time on towns that weren’t going to listen. It wasn’t a call to give up on individuals.

]]> By: Levi http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143885 Levi Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:01:40 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143885 Well the Bible tells us to preach To all of the world And if they do not wish to listen then we should leave the city and kick the dust off our feet to show We've told them all we can but they did not wish to listen, Read Luke Chapter 9 Well the Bible tells us to preach To all of the world
And if they do not wish to listen then we should
leave the city and kick the dust off our feet to show
We’ve told them all we can but they did not wish to
listen,
Read Luke Chapter 9

]]> By: mike http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143675 mike Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:31:43 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143675 wow levi, relax. sounds like mind control. wow levi, relax. sounds like mind control.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143620 Andrew Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:24:35 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143620 What kind of question is that? Not everyone's heart is open to hearing/believing in Christ even if you are a positive influence and try to lead them in the right direction. What kind of question is that? Not everyone’s heart is open to hearing/believing in Christ even if you are a positive influence and try to lead them in the right direction.

]]> By: Levi http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143612 Levi Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:34:09 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143612 How do you play with non Christians everyday And you still haven't led them to Christ Hmmmm..... How do you play with non Christians everyday
And you still haven’t led them to Christ
Hmmmm…..

]]> By: Andy K http://www.indievisionmusic.com/2009/01/21/interview-with-and-then-there-were-none/comment-page-1/#comment-143608 Andy K Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:21:17 +0000 http://www.indievisionmusic.com/?p=13174#comment-143608 Nice interview! I'm looking forward to hearing their new album. Nice interview! I’m looking forward to hearing their new album.

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